tv Special Report With Bret Baier FOX News August 14, 2012 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
>> eric: this case -- i'm going to put money in there. i'm the one who caused it. i apologize as well. >> dana: that's very kind. fa that's it for "the five." thank you for watching. see you tomorrow. bye! ♪ >> bret: paul ryan talks to brit hume about saving medicare. repealing obamacare. all while trying to draw a line between his budget and mitt romney's plan. this is "special report." note ♪ ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm brit hum bret baier. brit hume observation escollusive interview with ryan later. but first, romney slammed obama for what he called the administration war on coal. the president is am paining in iowa. center of wind energy production in the u.s. he favors extending tax break for the industry. romney opposes that.
suicide attacks in afghanistan killed at least 38 people today in what is the deadliest day of the year there for civilians. officials say 14 bombers struck in a province in the south. motorcycle bomb targeted a crowded bazaar. u.s. officials tell fox news nearly 50 iranian men captured in syria are not on a religious pilgrimage as they claim but are in fact, active duty members of the iranian revolutionary guard. defense secretary leon panetta talked about it today, saying it's part of a largeer plan. >> iran is playing a larger role in syria, in many ways. not only in terms of the irgc, but in terms of assistance, training. there is now indication they are trying to develop, or trying to train a militia within syria. to be able to fight on behalf of the regime.
>> bret: now on the top story. republican vice presidential candidate paul ryan says the republicans are the best hope to save medicare, for current seniors and future generations. ryan gave his first one-on-one interview since his selection to fox news senior political analyst brit hume today in denver. >> congressman, congratulations on your selection. thank you for taking the time to do this. >> thank you for cutting your vacation short in doing this. >> glad to do it. president obama said of you, he called you a devent man, family man, articulate spokesman for the romney vision, but said that is a vision i profoundly disagree with. what would you say about him? >> i think that is correct. it's a vision we have fundamental differences on. president himself is a good family man. we have a different idea of how to take the country forward. the president has given us utter failure when it comes to creating jobs and bringing fiscal discipline to washington. if we stick with the same plan
we will get more of the same results. more taxing, more spending, more bore rowing and regulating. we have a different vision. we are offering solutions. the romney-ryan plan for stronger middle class is offering solutions to get us back on track, create jobs, balance the budget, get people back to work. >> medicare is not the only issue in this campaign. but at the moment, it seems to be. your campaign is going up today with an ad i understand is a pretty big buy. 30-second ad on the attack. take a look at it. >> you paid in to medicare for years. every paycheck. now when you need it, obama has cut $716 billion from medicare. why? to pay for obamacare. so now the money you paid for your guaranteed healthcare is going to a massive new government program. that's not for you. the romney-ryan plan protects medicare benefits for today's seniors and strengthens the plan for the next generation. >> i'm mitt romney. i approve this message.
>> this ad suggests, i gather it will be seen a lot of places, that you and governor romney think that medicare which has been a very difficult issue for republicans for a very long time, polls suggest that people automatically think republicans are hostile for medicare. can be a winning issue for you how? >> absolutely. we're the ones offering a plan to save medicare, protect medicare. strengthen medicare. we are the ones who are not raiding medicare to pay for obamacare. we're repealing president obama 15-person bureaucratic board to put price control in medicare to lead to denied care for current seniors. we're the ones continuing to guarantee of medicare for people in or near retirement. you are to reform it for the younger generation in order to make the commitment stick to the current generation. president obama is actually damaging medicare for current seniors. it's irrefutable. that's why i think this is the debate we want to have and the debate we'll win.
>> so that ad attacks president obama for the medicare savings, contemplated in obamacare. estimated now over $700 billion. doesn't your budget also play medicare for the same amount? >> only president obama raids $716 billion from the medicare program. he cut $716 billion from the medicare program to pay for obamacare. we don't do that. >> right. you may -- how much? >> the point -- i joined the romney ticket, a what mitt romney is proposing to do is repeal all of obamacare. i voted repeatedly in congress to repeal all of obamacare. including this $716 billion to pay for obamacare. so what is very important here, a lot of seniors don't know this. is that they turn medicare to a piggy bank to finance obamacare. obama campaign thinks it's an achievement they raided medicare to pay for obamacare. >> you're not saying you don't contemplate in the budget planning significant savings
of $500 billion in medicare, though, are you? >> no. we can get in the complicated baseline issues but that is the current law. so what we do is we keep with the current law in our budget. >> but it's the case that in the budget you passed through the house of representatives, significant savings of upward of $500 million in medicare. >> we do not add cuts to medicare program in the house budget. we have don't take more cuts to medicare. we simply prevent the raid of medicare so those dollars go to set up the life of medicare. >> you say the dollars go to extend the life. i'm a little unclear how that works. you make savings to prevent program from going under? how is this -- >> here is the issue. what president obama is trying to do with his medicare plan, he is trying to count a dollar twice. trying to suggest that the medicare cuts can help medicare. it doesn't. he is taking the dollars from medicare to spend on obamacare. we prevent that from happening in the house budget. let's be clear leer, brit. i am on the romney ticket. what mitt romney is proposing
is repeal all of obamacare. in the house repeatedly, i voted with that position. i support that position. i'm pleased to support the position of getting rid of every piece of obamacare. including the cuts to medicare which are used to pay for obamacare. >> the budget plan you're now supporting would get to balance when? >> well, there are different -- the budget plan that mitt romney is supporting gets us down to 20% of gdp government spending by 2016. that means get the size of government back to where it historically has been. what president obama has done is he brought the size of government to as high as it hasn't been since world war ii. we want to reduce the size of government to have more economic freedom. >> i get that. what about balance? >> i don't know exactly what the balance is. i don't want to get wonky on you but we haven't run the numbers on that specific plan. the plan we offer in the house balance the budget. i'd put a contrast. president obama, never once, ever, has offered a plan to ever balance the budget.
the united states senate. they haven't even balanced, they haven't passed a budget in three years. >> i understand that. but your own budget, that you -- >> you are talking about the house budget? >> i'm talking about the house budget. your budget will be a political issue in this campaign. >> the house budget doesn't budget until 2030s under the current measurement of the cbo baseline. we believe if we get the economy growing and get people back to work we balance the budget in ten years. >> that raises the question. your selection brought in focus your reputation and standing as someone who wants to trim the federal government down to size. prepared to take on and reform the entitlement programs and so forth. that doesn't sound to the average person like growth talk. it sounds -- >> it is. >> i understand. but i want you to explain it. it doesn't sound like growth talk. it sounds like budget talk. >> you know me better than that. romney and i share the same ideas how the get the country back on track.
you to cut spending. we're borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend. if we keep borrowing like president obama proposed, that itself is a drag on economic growth. all of the deficit, all of the debt is one of the greatest threats to our economy and job creation. >> when will we see the romney plan and the particulars laid out? >> you have seen more details from mitt romney on fiscal policy, on saving entitlements, getting back to work than the incumbent president of the united states. >> wait a minute. he proposed a full-blown budget. >> his budget didn't even try to balance the budget. his budget proposes more debt. more spending. more borrowing. more regulating. it gave us four years of trillion-dollar deficits and proposing more of the same. >> you answer the charge that you are planning massive tax cuts for the wealthy. at the extense of the middle class. how do you respond to that allegation? >> what we're saying is get rid of special interest loopholes and deductions that are uniquely enjoyed by the
wealthy to lower the tax rates for everybody. put it this way. people use income tax shelter are the people in the top tax bracket. take away tax shelters, more of the income subject to taxation to allow to us lower tax rate for everybody. families, small businesses, and that help us create job and prosperity. >> will we soon see a plan specific about which loopholes to close? >> that is something we think we should do in the light of day, through congress, unlike how obamacare was passed. we don't want a back room deal. what the ways and means committee did, what the house passed is to have a process for tax reform. so that we do this in front of the public. so no, the point i'm trying to say is we want feedback from americans about what priorities in the tax code should be kept and what special interest loopholes we want to get rid of. >> you know the numbers better than anybody. can you have the revenue required to meet the budget you are planning without eliminating such deductions as the home mortgage interest deduction or the deduction for
municipal bond -- >> yes. there is what we call room for priorities in the tax code that are broad-based. what we don't want to do is have corporate welfare. crony capitalism in the tax code. special interest tax give-away. we want to make sure that middle income taxpayers join the ben i benefit. >> you said you are disciple of rand. you rea -- ayn rand and you fine novels compelling. the 100 conservative use, particularly on economic marriage. what is your view of ayn rand. are you an ayn rand disciple? >> i enjoy herful ins. "atlas shrugged" in -- her novels; particularly, "atlas shrugged." i later in life learned what her philosophy was. objectivism. i completely disagree with it. atheistic philosophy. but she has shone, she came from communism and she has shown how pitfall of socialism
can hurt the economy and people and families an individuals. that was a compelling novel. which says freedom, free enterprise, liberty is so much better than totalitarianism and socialism. those novels were interesting. but her philosophy, which is different is something that i just don't agree with. >> you have been spoking speakinged a mirringly of ayn rand character to the effect that reserve, the federal reserve bank should not be engaging in holding down interest rates or -- >> quantitative easing. i worry about monetary policy. i think it's been very loose for very long. i worry that we have monetary policy on collision course with the fiscal policy and could end ugly with an inflation problem if we don't watch ourselves. we need to get to the days we start normalizing the monetary policy so the dollar is secured. >> let me ask you about your relationship to mitt romney. people who saw the two of you
campaigning together in wisconsin, back during the wisconsin primary noticed that for a while you were just introducing him. before it was over, you were sharing the stage. what happened between you two men during those days out there? >> swy spent about five days on the road. five, 14-hour or so days. and in between all of those stops, driving from appleton to green bay to janesville, to milwaukee, we got to know each other. we conversed on policy issues, where to take the country. sooner or later we started sharing the microphone at the town hall meetings and we developed mutual understanding of each other. >> when the call came, i know you said yes. but did you at that time think the fight is now going to be joined and budgets will be at the center of this. my budget cutting reputation will be at the center of this. >> yes. i'm excited about that. >> right. >> i'm here to enjoy the debate. we owe the country a clear choice and different solutions. >> congressman, thanks very much. >> thank you, brit. >> appreciate it. >> bret: we'll have more
from the interview later in the show. how do you think congressman ryan handled some of brit hume's questions? let me know on twitter. follow me. @bretbaier. both traveled to parts of the the country with a lot of money and jobs at stake. chief white house correspondent ed henry on whether the messages are hitting home in the swing state. >> firing up coal minors in eastern ohio, republican mitt romney unleshed assault on president's energy policies, charging this that the president has overzealous legislation. to flip it in the republican column. >> you probably heard the president say he is for all of the above. it wondered what he meant. because i see how he has been waging war on coal. i wonder how can he save that. then it came to me. he is for all the sources of energy that come from above the ground. >> here in iowa, the president staked his claim to corn
country. by promoting one of those energy sources from above the grown. wind power. trying for second straight day to paint the new republican ticket as radical. this time for opposing a tax credit that puts them at odds with key iowa republicans. senator charles grassily and governor terry bransted. >> governor romney said let's end the tax credit for wind energy production. get rid of it. he said that new sources of energy like wind are imaginary. his running mate called them a fad. >> then the president took a swipe at the legendary story about romney once transporting his family dog on top of his car. by noting the republican recently mocked the wind industry. >> that's what he said about wind power. you can't drive a car with a windmill on. now, i don't know if he has tried that. i know he has had other things on his car. >> romney campfireed back the president is trying to
distract from the economy. adding in a statement, "after sansanctimoniously complaining, president obama continues to embarrass himself and diminish his office with the unpresidential behavior." romney-ryan tried to stay focused on a double-barrel push on energy, with the top of the ticket leading the charge in ohio. >> his vice president said coal is more dangerous than terrorists. >> while his number two was in colorado. >> we have our own oil and gas. we have nuclear, we have all of the above. wind, solar, coal. let's use it and make the energy independent. let's create jobs. >> even ryan mentioned wind. which the president believes may be the key to iowa six electoral votes. although he also tried to win support by buying a round of bud light at the state fair. now the obama camp says there is 7,000 jobs in the wind sector here at stake in iowa.
as for coal, they note that mining employment is at a 15-year high. by the way, at the end there, you did not hear "four more years." it was "four more beers." >> ed henry traveling with the president in iowa. thank you. still ahead, the four states seen as key to presidential election. an how the candidates are doing there. first, the price has gone way up. for the auto bail-out. whoa, look at all those toys. insuring that stuff must be a pain. nah, he's probably got... [ dennis' voice ] allstate.
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small town near aleppo monday firing at a field and local swimming pool. no injuries or fatalities were reported there. back at home, you may get a case of sticker shock over the latest price tag for the auto bail-out. doug mckelway reports on how much more you're paying. >> now the american auto industry has come roaring back and g.m. is number one again. >> the president has been out thing the bail-out of chrysler and general motors on the campaign trail, g.m. stock has been nose diving, falling 35% since the initial public offering in november of 2010. on friday, treasury department announced expected losses to taxpayers from the bail-out would increase more than $3 $3.3 billion to $25.1 billion. up from $21.7 billion last quarter. a clear case of picking winners.
>> they're making what the government wants them to make, lacheses volt. >> in a statement today, the they defended the bail-out. saying, "the auto industry rescue helped save 1 million jobs throughout the heartland and expected to cost far less than many feared in the height of the crisis." >> i think there is real fuzzy math going on there. at the same time he put 100,000 jobs on the chopping block closing more than 2,000 dealers in a matter of months. >> indeed, 2200 dealerships were shut down as part of the bail-out. point governor romney who pushed for a managed bankruptcy of the auto industry drove home in this recent ohio tv ad. >> i received a letter from general motors. they were suspending my credit line. 30 some employees out of work. my wife and i were the last ones there. >> g.m. closed down at 21.20. with the government owning 500 million shares of g.m. stock, it'd have to sell at it $53 a share to break even. that is more than double today's price. complicating g.m. future is
the bleak sales figure in europe where they own opal brand. debt crisis, high unemployment and lack of consumer confidence led to 4.9% job of g.m. sales in the first half of the year. bret? >> bret: thank you. retail sales up .8 of a percentage point in july. the largest gain in five months. wholesale prices up by .3 of a point. the dow was up 3 today. s&p 500 lost a fraction of a point. nasdaq fell 5.5. the national fedcation of independent business says its small business optimism index was down .2 of a percentage point in july. it says that indicates the owner optimism is disturbingly low and at recession levels. report also disputes the white e houscontention that only 3% of small businesses will be affected by higher taxes. the group says it will be
closer to 15%. wells fargo if i recall will pay to settle civil charges it sold complex mortgage securities without disclosing the risk. the s.e.c. says the company admits nor denies wrongdoing. speaking of big money, you will not believe how much of yours went to finance conferences for the veterans administration. is it another g.s.a. scandle in the making? geographically challenging moment for vice president. grapevine is next. ♪ [music plays] ♪ [muc plays] ♪ [music plays]
>> bret: now fresh pickings from the political grapevine. another huge spending scandal the brewing. marine corps time report veteran affairs department held two employee conferences in orlando last year, that cost taxpayers a combined $5 million. initial findings to the house veteran affairs committee by the inspector general office shows employees may have received improper gratuity, alcohol, concert ticket and stretch limos. $52,000 spent to produce 18-minute video viewed only twice. $84,000 for promotional items including pens and post-its. inspector general office received a tip in the wake of the general service administration las vegas scandal report in april. the v.a. said the alleged misconduct is unacceptable. joe the plumber, aka samuel
worzelbacher says the solution to securing the border is putting up a fence and shooting illegal immigrants crossing in to america. the congressional candidate from ohio told a crowd in arizona, for years i said put a damn fence on the border going to mexico and start shooting. he repeated his comments the next day. we reached out to his campaign for clarification. but did not hear back. finally vice presidential biden was firing up supporters in the swing state of virginia today. when it seems he may have forgot where he was. here are his closing remarks. >> with you and i mean this, with you we can win north carolina again. and if we do, we win the election. if we win you. >> bret: to be fair, vice president was in danville, which is on the border with north carolina. but it is still danville, virginia. ♪ snow ♪
>> bret: our top story at the bottom of the hour, republican vice presidential candidate paul ryan tells brit hume that president obama is raiding medicare to fund obamacare. it was part of ryan's first solo interview since being selected by romney for the number two spot on the ticket. his boss was in one of the most important states on the electoral map. chief political correspondent carl cameron has the story from southern ohio. >> with the republican convention in two weeks and the election in 12, mitt romney, ohio coal country said his victory depends on their rejection of president obama. >> you know to do so we have to win ohio. to win ohio. he has to win eastern ohio. he has to get the votes to the people in these communities all around us here. you are not going to let that happen. >> romney's state may hinge on ohio and three other battleground swing states he is only slightly behind according to the real clear average politics in the polls. ohio he is up 4.3 points. virginia, romney is down 3.2 points. in florida, the president is
ahead 1.4. in colorado, romney 1.# points off the pace. romney runningmate paul ryan was in colorado. >> we had seen a failure of leadership. a failure of leadership. to get the economy growing. to create jobs. to get our spending and debt and deficit under control. but mitt romney and i are offering the romney-ryan plan for a stronger middle class is designed to get people back to work. it's designed to create jobs. if we get this economy growing like we know with can, we can create 12 million jobs in four years. >> gallup poll taken the day after ryan joined the ticket 39% say it's excellent or good vice presidential pick. 42% called it fair or poo ryan dominating headlines joe biden let loose. >> romney wants to let -- he said the first 100 day he is is going to let the big banks again write their own rules. unchain wall street. they are going to put y'all back if chains.
>> the romney-ryan ticket fired back with a tough attack on the president's character for a controversial ad that never made it to tv. by a super pac obama aides raised money for to suggest that romney was responsible for a woman's cancer death. >> what does it say about a president's character when his campaign tries to use the tragedy of a woman's death for political gain? when he had his campaign raise money for the ad. then stood by as his top aides were caught lying about it. >> romney today launched a new charge that the president squandered medicare to fund obamacare. >> he ran for office and he said he would protect medicare. but did you know that he has taken $716 billion out of the medicare trust fund, he has raided that trust fund. you know what he did with it? he used it to pay for obamacare. >> the president from high what. >> governor romney and his allies in congress, they think that if we just get rid of more regulations on big corporations and give more tax breaks to the wealthiest
americans, if we end medicare as we know it, make it avoucher system somehow this is all going to lead to jobs and prosperity for everybody. >> both sides now are feverishly accusing the other of mediscare tactics. romney will take a few days off the public campaign trail for fundraising and finance meetings leaving ryan to quarry the message for the g.o.p. ticket. he will spend the next two days in ohio. bret? >> carl cameron traveling with governor romney. carl, thank you. >> new jersey governor, chris christie will give the keynote address at the republican convention in cam pa. that is two weeks from tonight. he says he will tell direct and hard truths about the trouble the country is in. two nights later, florida senator marco rubio will have the honor of introducing mitt romney to the republican convention. rubio was on romney's vis presidential short list. the man who got the nod talked with our own brit hume today.
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us other countria countrys are lowering the tax rate on the businesses and president obama is proposing to raise taxes. make us less competitive, cost more jobs. congressional budget office says if the tax increase occur it could put us in a recession. we're saying prevent the obama tax increases in the economy because we know it will cost us job and clean up the tax code. stop picking winners about losers. get rid of tax shelter enjoyed by the wealthy and enjoy the tax rate. >> will we soon see a plan specific about which loopholes to close? >> that is something we think we should do in the light of day through congress unlike how obamacare was passed. >> bret: vice presidential candidate paul ryan talking to brit hume in colorado.
bring in the panel. bill kristol editor of "weekly standard." juan williams, columnist with the hill. sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. charles, you thoughts? >> i thought he handled it well. having him out there to show how affable he is, how much he knows. how he can explain. he can deflect and respond to all the arguments about how republicans are hard-hearted and help the rich. and kick grandma in the curb. >> all of that he handles very well. he has one problem. they knew it was a problem coming in. the details of the ryan plan have some things that don't mesh with what romney is running on, and a are a little harder to defend. i think what ryan has to say is look, i propose the plan in congress. a congressional plan. it was rejected by the democratic senate and by the president. it's now history. i can defend it if you want.
it's complicated, it has to do with the baseline and all that. the active plan right now what we are running on what we will see is the romney plan. i'll explain that. you heard with the interview with brit, saying that the romney plan abolishes all the trust fund that happens with obamacare. but the ryan plan in congress did not. so he has simply say i can explain it but it's not relevant. it's history. i'm running under the romney plan and that is it. otherwise he will end up in the weeds an distracted. they have to stay on the attack, especially on medicare. >> bret: juan, this coincides with the romney campaign, launching a pretty big ad buy in a number of states on the issue of medicare, fighting this battle. listen to a portion of that. >> obama has cut $716 billion from medicare. why? to pay for obamacare. so now the money you paid for your guaranteed healthcare is
going to a massive new government program. that is not for you. >> bret: so, they're fighting on a battlefield that traditionally is not a republican battlefield. >> right. it's still not a republican battlefield. i think there are forced in to it because of the paul ryan pick of v.p. that's why there are a lot of people around town who are saying boy, that is a very risky choice he made. he has bought into it. contrary to what charles says, in fact, romney says he embraces the paul ryan budget. brit hume comes off the bench and pitching hardballs right away. he asked paul ryan specifically: what is the difference between the money that you would take out of medicare and the money obama would take out of medicare? he says obama takes the money out to fund obamacare. but doesn't talk about the fact that medicare is guaranteed to recipients.
>> bret: that is not true -- >> it is true. in the ryan plan he worked with in the senate, they had an option to put the medicare as an option instead of premium support. >> he was forced in to back tracking -- >> the last version. >> plan put forward by paul ryan didn't have that in there. it said we'll give you avoucher. brit was insisting tell us what is the difference here? that is the pressure that is going to be on ryan and romney throughout the campaign. >> bill? >> the easiest thing in the world to have and take one more day to explain and do it more clearly. obama takes $700 million from medicare to pay for obamacare. this pile and that pile.
they said we can put it in the medicare trust fund to make medicare sol vent for the future. takes money to put it in the future of medicare. romney says that's too complicated. leave medicare alone. fix it going forward. so romney rind has a small difference. romney is the candidate. ryan runs on the romney plan. period. what happened today, the romney campaign raised for the first time the following deep fact. obama care passed. a big thingsthat happened. obamacare. it is unpopular. it will flip the debate and the republicans can say we're defending medicare against
raid on medicare. we have want to reform medicare down the road to make it solvent. above all, save you from obamacare. a big day to take advantage of how to take advantage and go on offensive with healthcare. >> to charles' point, questions in differentiating between paul ryan a house budget and romney and his plan, is the challenge for paul ryan. here are clips from that. >> i joined the romney ticket. he's from posing to repeal obamacare. it voted in congress to repeal all of obamacare, including this $716 billion to pay for obamacare. be clear. i'm on the romney ticket. what romney is proposing is to repeal all of obamacare. budget plan that obama is supporting gets us down to 20% of gdp government spending by
2016. gets the size of government back where it has been. $5.3 trillion cut from obama budget. what we're doing is offering the romney ryan plan. that plan is very clear about how to get jobs created. how to growth back in the economy. get the spending under control. >> bret: we want back to it numerous times, charles. >> you did. i mean he is basically saying look, what i did in congress is history. it was rejected by senate. president would haven't signed it. why are we talking about it? we're talking about what should be offered to the united states, citizenry today. if you remember, you obviously remember. when you interviewed obama, you asked him three times and he got annoyed. raiding of medicare for obamacare. >> bret: i remember it well. >> he remembers it well because you kept saying as the cbo said the administration
double counted the money. it pretended that the money was going in the trust fund. at the same time it was funding the 30 million uninsured by obama care. he never answered it and he was annoyed when you kept asking it. >> bret: to that point do you think that the obama campaign thought here is mitt romney, the candidate. we won't have to fight on obamacare? he has massachusetts healthcare. here comes paul ryan and they flip this thing. now they are saying medicare is saved because obamacare hurts medicare. suddenly the obama campaign has to fight obamacare, which isn't that a negative or a vulnerability on the issue of obamacare overall? >> i like the idea o jujitsu. to use your opponent's energy against them. that's what bill kristol was saying. they are going to try to use this and say this is really about obamacare and how it would impact medicare.
the difficulty is people on the defensive initially is romney ryan ticket specifically paul ryan. the question is will they be able to flip president obama and make it about obamacare? we will see. they have a ton of money to spend. see how the ads work. right now is the pressure is on paul ryan. that is why brit was on him about you are cutting money, they are cutting money. but theirs is guaranteed, yours is not. they have serious questions. >> bret: off the bench, a good pitching -- >> all right. well, good. >> bret: next up, the president runs on energy.
governor romney even explained his energy policy this way. i'm quoting here. you can't drive a car with a windmill on it. that's what he said about wind power. you can't drive a car with a win mill on it. now -- windmill on it. i don't know if he has tried that. i know he has had other things on his car. >> of course, i like all the sources of energy. you probably heard the president say he is for all the above. i wondered what he meant. i see how he has been waging war on coal. i wondered how could he say that. then it came to me. he is for all the sources of energy that come from above the ground. none of those that come from below the ground like oil, coal, gas. >> bret: two states, two energy arguments. the president in iowa talking tax credit for wind energy. governor romney in ohio talking about a war on coal, he says, by the administration. back with the panel. how does energy play as an issue, bill? >> i think it plays well for governor romney.
if he would just, a cute line he has. every time governor romney tries to deliver a cute line as a speech writer, it comes off in my opinion slightly clunky. better off to stay on the core message. he is a pro-energy president and president obama sacrificed all kind of energy, drilling and production to environmentalists. pipeline. that's an easy distinction to make, i think. >> bret: and wind energy is a winner for president obama? >> in iowa a big winner. there are so many jobs connected to it. nationally, though, i think x.l. pipeline is a loser for president obama. so when mitt romney says that he would pass or approve of the xl pipeline, it speaks to a lot of anxiety out there in america, yeah, yeah, let's drill. the old drill, baby, drill. it's a winner for romney. >> bret: charles? >> i agree. when you go for coal, which is where romney is now going now. it's almost half of all the electrical production in the
united states. solar for example is 0.2%. it's minuscule. i mean, if you are going to be the green energy guy, you are going to get people on the left that obama already has. to appeal to the country nationally, you go for coal. the restriction on oil drilling, fracking, regulatio regulations. you win the argument in a broad way. keystone is a simple of it, but coal is the heart of it. the roc regulation it's passed quietly in the epa that everyone knows it will kill the industry. >> what about the dog references. i thought we were done. >> it was funny. >> didn't we end it with the eating of the dog in that whole thing? >> i have an image of the dog pedaling on the top of the car, driving a windmill driving the car. that could be answer to energy
problem. >> in coal country as charles machines, boy, there is a lot of animosity toward this administration. the coal miners union sitting out this election. that plays in a lot of states, including ohio a pennsylvania. >> hard to publicize the regulations, or administratively, the federal register. hard to explain why they so suppress energy development and production and development. especially on coal. also on oil and natural gas. make a big issue of the whole, obama is the epa. part of the obama administration are radical. other star parts are staying center. justice department taking over by law professionals and epa taken over by left wing environmentalists. make an issue of that. >> bret: juan, vice president biden in danville, virginia, not north carolina, in virginia said this today about governor romney. >> look at what they value and look at the budget. and what they are proposing. romney wants to -- he said the
first 100 days he will let the big banks bring their own rules. unchain wall street. they are going to put y'all back in chains. >> bret: romney campaign said that is not acceptable for political discourse. >> well, you know, clearly he is talking about taking the chains off of banks in terms of regulation. and put the american people. but he is talking to a very strongly african-american audience there in virginia. danville. and i think people there, of course, like you are saying putting the black folks back. it's a terrific gaffe. is this the first time we heard him have a slip of the tongue, my friend? i don't think so. so people can make fun of it, but i know what he was trying to say. it wasn't racial. >> bret: that's what the obama campaign says, a metaphor. vice president was referring to republicans who say unshackle wall street. >> look, this guy is so off the wall that he is able to make lifetime of gaffes.
he doesn't get attacked for it. because nobody expects any better. you know, it's crazy uncle in the attic. as ross perot used to say. he turns out to be the crazy unkle in the attic. it's offensive. if anybody else said it, it would have been a huge deal. but joe biden, is it a big f'ing deal? i don't know. >> holy cow! really? drop that? on a tuesday? >> well, you know, i'm just -- >> save it for friday. >> quoting the vice president of the united states. >> oh, chuck, please. >> bret: this panel has gone -- yeah. that red line. >> a virus. >> bret: okay. back that's it for panel. stave tuned for details on how the other potential options receive the news.
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>> finally tonight, once mitt romney selected paul ryan and before official word came out, romney had to inform the other potential picks on the short list who were not picked. not an easy job. one show claims it had the behind the scenes story. >> it is tough news to break to a potential running mate but mitt's a leader, so he had his son do it. [ laughter ] >> mitt romney's oldest son was the person to give the news to both rob portman and tim pawlenty that they were not the pick. >> they should be honored. chris christie got a call from rafalka. >> hello, did i get the job? >> neiyh. >> okay. we thought we would end with this. in light of charles' comment earlier. member i didn't mean meriam webster added f bomb. se